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Post by outgirl on Sept 18, 2004 15:30:53 GMT -5
Again that's a pretty broad term, I see on the news all of the time how kids get mixed up in bad crowds and go rob a local 7-11. I don't believe, that once they put all of that stuff behind them, that they shouldn't be allowed to own a gun for the rest of their lives. I believe that whether or not someone who commited a crime should be allowed to own a gun should be up to the court that tried the case, not the lawmakers. well I guess there's just no pleasing you then pyro. Sorry, if you are going to commit armed robbery then you should lose your right to carry a gun. Thats just my opinion. By the way, juvinile records don't count. They are supposedly sealed after the person becomes of age. Which brings me to another point. We are seeing more and more 15 yr olds who commit murder being tried as adults. While I don't agree with that, it seems that the kids that "fall in with the wrong crowd and commit armed robbery" should be very happy that they and their victims are alive and well and who gives a fuck if they can't carry a gun. What they need is a job and a life. not a gun |
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Post by pyro on Sept 18, 2004 15:59:42 GMT -5
nope  No one said there had to be any victims, many times they just pull out a gun and say "gimmy the money" then run, still armed robbery. While I do believe that some crimes definantly show that they don't deserve a firearm ever, there is just no way for lawmakers to make laws that could cover every case that could arise. |
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Post by outgirl on Sept 18, 2004 16:11:44 GMT -5
nope No one said there had to be any victims, many times they just pull out a gun and say "gimmy the money" then run, still armed robbery. While I do believe that some crimes definantly show that they don't deserve a firearm ever, there is just no way for lawmakers to make laws that could cover every case that could arise. Having a gun shoved in your face makes you a victim even when there is no apparent injury. The problem with "armed robbery" is that things do go wrong and people do end up dead even if that is not the intention. You are right. No law can cover every case properly. Best not to commit armed assault in the first place if you want to cont. to have the right to own firearms. You talk of mistakes...well, there's always a price to pay for our mistakes. Be happy that the price wasn't someone's life and shut the fuck up...if ya ask me. Fuck owning guns. Change your life. |
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Post by pyro on Sept 18, 2004 19:31:03 GMT -5
Good point.
Some people do change, and they deserve every constitutional right we do. Getting guns in todays world is so easy that it should be assumed that if someone gets out of jail they will have acces to a firearm. Anyone let out should be considered reformed and safe with a gun, or not let out at all. I think that letting them out and saying they can't own a gun is just a way for the government to cover their own asses if said person goes on a killing spree: "It's illegal for him have a gun, but he went and bought one anyway."
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Post by maylily on Sept 18, 2004 21:05:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the recidivism rate is extremely high. Chances are better than even that if someone committed armed robbery once, they'll do it again. Violent criminals generally escalate in their next crime, not the other way around. Experts have been trying to figure out the situation for generations.
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Post by RS Davis on Sept 18, 2004 22:20:17 GMT -5
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that an ex-con can petition the courts to have his civil rights restored.
- Rick
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Post by pyro on Sept 18, 2004 22:59:55 GMT -5
I never knew that. Kinda makes everything I've said completely pointless... I can honestly say I feel like a total idiot.
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Post by outgirl on Sept 20, 2004 9:17:53 GMT -5
I never knew that. Kinda makes everything I've said completely pointless... I can honestly say I feel like a total idiot. No. What you say is valid. Just because they can petition does not mean it will be granted. Maybe all other rights except the right to carry a weapon should be restored, Then it can be decided on a case by case basis. I know that nothing is set in stone but ya gotta have some guidelines. Like it or not, not everyone should own a gun. |
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Post by RS Davis on Sept 20, 2004 12:04:20 GMT -5
I never knew that. Kinda makes everything I've said completely pointless... I can honestly say I feel like a total idiot. No reason. Just because they can petition does not mean it will be granted. - Rick |
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Post by pyro on Sept 20, 2004 21:13:36 GMT -5
By pointless I meant that after someone has served their time and wants to be a member of society then they should have their rights again, I wasn't aware that such a system to let them have that already exists, which makes my idea of lessening legislation to let them have their rights back pointless.
I know not everyone should own a gun, I just think that making laws to govern casses involoving personal freedoms where there is no way to judge possible exeptions is a bad idea.
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Post by outgirl on Sept 21, 2004 2:14:33 GMT -5
Good news for all. The federal ban on assault weapons that Clinton enacted expired this week. Yippee.  |
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Post by RS Davis on Sept 21, 2004 2:17:03 GMT -5
Good news for all. The federal ban on assault weapons that Clinton enacted expired this week. Yippee.  Sarcasm?? I am certainly glad about that, but I didn't think you would be.... - Rick |
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Post by outgirl on Sept 21, 2004 2:32:50 GMT -5
Sarcasm?? I am certainly glad about that, but I didn't think you would be.... - Rick Oh no. I love violence. Especially the heavy traumas. Job security. |
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Post by whatever on Sept 21, 2004 7:34:13 GMT -5
One point that hasn't been brought up, in terms of our current society and crime is...say the mantra with me here...the war on drugs. I see that as being the issue. Not the number of weapons, type of gun, or ease of legal access. Guns will not go away, ever. It isn't the weapons.
We have more people in our prisons, HERE, than in any other nation in the world. Free or not so free, no other country in the world puts as great a percentage of it's population in jail than ours does.
That isn't caused by weapons. It's caused by the drug war.
And you better believe there are wealthy men in nice office buildings who don't want the drug war to EVER end. Huge profits, prison industry, captive labor...and racism too.
Just my perspective. Were I to work with gunshot victims, I probably wouldn't like guns so much either, though I don't like them generally. They're a tool I choose to have around.
It reminds me of prohibition. At first, women were the group that pushed for prohibition. And, women were the ones that put a stop to it, when it turned into the ugly mobsters in the streets way of life. We just haven't put a stop to it yet.
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Post by RS Davis on Sept 21, 2004 7:35:33 GMT -5
Oh no. I love violence. Especially the heavy traumas. Job security. Well, people will never stop being violent with each other, thank God. - Rick |
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