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Post by dr snootch on Dec 14, 2004 18:15:13 GMT -5
I just got home from work and plan to respond to this just as soon as I go eat. For the time being, here's a relevant bit from Soulfly...
"Fighting for your soul
Defending what is yours
Arm in arms, I and I and All
Fire is within
Bleed for your belief
Come on and bleed with me"
-Soulfly Downstroy
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Post by AppleJax on Dec 14, 2004 22:50:36 GMT -5
I think that it is up to the activists to keep pushing...hard, and it is up to run-of-the-mill everyday gay people to continue being themselves and showing people that the face of homosexuality is very similar to the face of heterosexuality. I feel the same way about the drug debate, by the way... - Rick  (The kinder, gentler face of drug use.)  -AJ |
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Post by dr snootch on Dec 16, 2004 0:30:43 GMT -5
I disagree with the HRC. Homosexual's rights' are rights, they're non-negotiable. I think you guys (and gals) should fight tooth and nail to gain equal treatment under the law.
A co-worker of mine is gay and was talking to me the other day about looking for houses to buy. He saw one he liked near a nice school in Illinois, but said he'd not be looking to buy it. When I asked why, he said very matter-of-factly, "Two fags living near a school? That's just asking for trouble."
I couldn't disagree with his assessment given the current state of affairs in the world. He's one of the nicest guys I know, and I hate it that he has to think about things like that, that would never cross a straight person's mind.
I don't understand why people feel the insatiable urge to make everyone feel and believe as they do. Whatever happened to just living your own life and not worrying so much about everyone else's? Why does my friend have to think about what the neighbors would think of his chosen lifestyle?
Fight on, brothaz and sistaz, you can't be ignored forever. One of these days the world is going to have to listen up and give you your due. I hope that day comes sooner rather than later.
Again with the Soulfly...
"Here we go...Another day, another strike
Here we go...It's the living sacrifice
Here we go...Against your bullshit ways
Here we go...Against your false pretend
Here we go...Another day, another hour
Here we go...Take back the power
Here we go...I'd rather die on my feet
Here we go...Than keep living on my knees
Here we go...Another day, another strike
Here we go...Jumpdafuckup and fight
Here we go...Another place, another tribe
Here we go...No, we won't take your bribe
Here we go...Another day, another night
Here we go...With this music unite
Here we go...Another freedom fight
Here we go...God bless me inside"
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Post by outgirl on Dec 16, 2004 3:42:50 GMT -5
I disagree with the HRC. Homosexual's rights' are rights, they're non-negotiable. I think you guys (and gals) should fight tooth and nail to gain equal treatment under the law. A co-worker of mine is gay and was talking to me the other day about looking for houses to buy. He saw one he liked near a nice school in Illinois, but said he'd not be looking to buy it. When I asked why, he said very matter-of-factly, "Two fags living near a school? That's just asking for trouble." I couldn't disagree with his assessment given the current state of affairs in the world. He's one of the nicest guys I know, and I hate it that he has to think about things like that, that would never cross a straight person's mind. I don't understand why people feel the insatiable urge to make everyone feel and believe as they do. Whatever happened to just living your own life and not worrying so much about everyone else's? Why does my friend have to think about what the neighbors would think of his chosen lifestyle? Fight on, brothaz and sistaz, you can't be ignored forever. One of these days the world is going to have to listen up and give you your due. I hope that day comes sooner rather than later. Again with the Soulfly... "Here we go...Another day, another strike
Here we go...It's the living sacrifice
Here we go...Against your bullshit ways
Here we go...Against your false pretend
Here we go...Another day, another hour
Here we go...Take back the power
Here we go...I'd rather die on my feet
Here we go...Than keep living on my knees
Here we go...Another day, another strike
Here we go...Jumpdafuckup and fight
Here we go...Another place, another tribe
Here we go...No, we won't take your bribe
Here we go...Another day, another night
Here we go...With this music unite
Here we go...Another freedom fight
Here we go...God bless me inside"Hey snootch. I've never heard of soulfly but the lyrics are very cool. It makes me sad when I hear stories like that of your co worker. I don't think we should limit ourselves to that kind of thinking. When I moved out to the country I wondered how we would be regarded by our country neighbors but we just became the girls. They were wonderful. We never actaully told them we were gay but we lived there for yrs and were clearly a couple. Now that I'm back in the city (well, St Louis county anyway) all my neighbors know and they're all cool. Since I put in the pool I had all the neighborhood kids in my backyard all summer. But I did run into an issue recently when my 11yr old neice wanted to bring her best friend for a sleep over. The dad wouldn't let her come because I was gay. But thet's his problem. Thankfully my neice is a very smart girl and we talked about it. What are ya gonna do? |
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Post by AppleJax on Dec 16, 2004 16:15:59 GMT -5
Snootch, you rock, dude. Right the fuck on.  That sucks about your niece's friend's dad, Outgirl. What a bigot. Your niece is such a great kid though. I'm sure she handled it well. In a way, it's good that she sees what we go through. I just love her. |
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Post by Kender on Dec 16, 2004 17:55:56 GMT -5
Snootch, you rock, dude. Right the fuck on. That sucks about your niece's friend's dad, Outgirl. What a bigot. Your niece is such a great kid though. I'm sure she handled it well. In a way, it's good that she sees what we go through. I just love her. I don't know if it's fair - just based on that information - that he's a bigot. He didn't do or say anything hateful, from what I can tell - he just reacted out of fear. My guess is that if he got to know Outgirl, he'd overcome his fear. Truth be told, a parent should know the responsible adults pretty well before entrusting their children to them anyway, be they gay or straight. I could be off base, though. It just sounded more like fear than malice...and I reserve the label "bigot" for the malicious ones like Fred Phelps. |
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Post by outgirl on Dec 16, 2004 18:51:09 GMT -5
I don't know if it's fair - just based on that information - that he's a bigot. He didn't do or say anything hateful, from what I can tell - he just reacted out of fear. My guess is that if he got to know Outgirl, he'd overcome his fear. Truth be told, a parent should know the responsible adults pretty well before entrusting their children to them anyway, be they gay or straight. I could be off base, though. It just sounded more like fear than malice...and I reserve the label "bigot" for the malicious ones like Fred Phelps. I agree with what you are saying to a point. Parents should know who their kids are with, however, My neice overheard the conversation and his decision was apparently because I was gay. I know it is fear but the roots of bigotry are planted in fear. Truthfully, his daughter would be safer with me than with many straight parents but he is unwilling to even consider it. To me it sure feels like bigotry. It felt that way to my neice too and this is a man she is very fond of. I told her next summer when the pool is reopened, I will call and introduce myself and invite her again. He'll either say yes or no and I told my neice that she just needs to accept it either way. We can't control what others do. I understand the point you are making but I don't believe that you have carry a sign like Phelps to display bigotry. If you are a christian who believes the bible with regards to homosexuality, I wouldn't call you a bigot unless you acted on those beliefs. If you believe your child is unsafe because I am gay...that is bigotry. It has no basis in fact. |
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Post by dr snootch on Dec 17, 2004 7:56:11 GMT -5
Hey snootch. I've never heard of soulfly but the lyrics are very cool. Soulfly are a Brazilian hard-core metal band. The lead singer, Max Caballero, was in Sepultura and, briefly, Nailbomb. I love 'em. They've got a very primal, tribal sound. Gets the blood boiling. If you're interested, their website can be found here. |
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Post by RS Davis on Dec 17, 2004 11:56:59 GMT -5
I agree with what you are saying to a point. Parents should know who their kids are with, however, My neice overheard the conversation and his decision was apparently because I was gay. I know it is fear but the roots of bigotry are planted in fear. Truthfully, his daughter would be safer with me than with many straight parents but he is unwilling to even consider it. To me it sure feels like bigotry. It felt that way to my neice too and this is a man she is very fond of. I told her next summer when the pool is reopened, I will call and introduce myself and invite her again. He'll either say yes or no and I told my neice that she just needs to accept it either way. We can't control what others do. I understand the point you are making but I don't believe that you have carry a sign like Phelps to display bigotry. If you are a christian who believes the bible with regards to homosexuality, I wouldn't call you a bigot unless you acted on those beliefs. If you believe your child is unsafe because I am gay...that is bigotry. It has no basis in fact. You should invite her and her father over. Maybe if he got to know you a little, he would see what we all do... - Rick |
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Post by AppleJax on Dec 17, 2004 13:35:52 GMT -5
I agree with Outgirl. People display bigotry in lots of different ways. This guy not letting his daughter go over to her friend's house because her friend's aunt is a lesbian is bigotry plain and simple. It may be fear too, but that doesn't make it any better.
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Post by outgirl on Dec 17, 2004 13:46:08 GMT -5
You should invite her and her father over. Maybe if he got to know you a little, he would see what we all do... - Rick That's sorta the plan, but it needs to wait till summer I think. We'll see what happens  |
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Post by emilysrevolution on Dec 24, 2004 4:09:30 GMT -5
Her dad may never change his mind. Someday, my little cuz's friend is going to have to make up her own mind. She'll get her chance. She won't be 11 forever and there's all sorts of people in the world. She may wake up and go, "Damn. Dad doesn't know shit." That's usually what teenagers do anyway. But never change her mind. And she and my cousing may not always be friends because of that. That's what growing up is about.
I think it's a good idea, calling him next summer, mom. If anyone can change his mind, you can.
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