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Post by outgirl on Dec 9, 2004 16:16:46 GMT -5
Hi fellow freedomphiles...and zombielillers  AJ posted something very interesting about HRC and their new strategy on advocating gay marriage on QV. Or rather NOT advocating it. If you have a chance, I would appreciate it if you would check it out and let me know what you think...either there or here. Thanks. queervolution.proboards22.com/index.cgi?board=activism&action=display&thread=1102618691To me it's absolutely unbelievable though I understand the reasoning. |
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Post by AppleJax on Dec 10, 2004 0:42:51 GMT -5
You know, I've never killed a zombie, but I can stake a vamp like nobody's business. Is it similar?
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Post by outgirl on Dec 10, 2004 1:20:49 GMT -5
You know, I've never killed a zombie, but I can stake a vamp like nobody's business. Is it similar? You'll have to ask the resident killers of the walking dead. It would seem a connection. I have always thought of myself as more Anya, spacey vengeance demon. I'm sure Staff Sgt Rick could answer your question though. |
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Post by zombiekiller on Dec 10, 2004 1:52:34 GMT -5
Silly people, vampires are make believe. Duh...
Hey OG, I responded elsewhere, but I'll post here too.
IMHO:
The Gays(tm) need both a Malcolm and a Martin. You Guys(c) need the entire good cop/bad cop routine to make progress. We've made a fuck ton of progress in the last few decades, and it'd be a shame to stagnate now because the gay community is having an identity crisis.
You need a Malcolm. Malcolm X was not about making whitey feel safe. Malcolm X was not about guaranteeing that blacks would be happy if whitey would share the dinner table them them. Malcolm was about self respect. Malcolm was about saying that the black man or woman in America has every right to feel as superior as whitey does. Malcolm was about saying that black folks were pissed off and if whitey didn't get off their collective back, there was going to be some trouble. I disagree with Pope here. I think you need the Angry Fag(R). Better yet, I think you should have an Upset Queer With Big Fucking Gun(tm). You need not only someone to rally the troops, but to let the breeders know that the status quo ain't an option.
That being said, you need a Martin just as bad. You need a nice polite gay person who'll sit down with the straight couple next door and explain that you're not a threat to their lives. You need someone who'll say "Yeah, that Malcolm is one crazy mother fucker, but y'know, he has a few good points." You need someone for straights to point to and say, "If we could make sure that they all think this way, we could have peace."
Martin wasn't really popular among white people, but when they got a look at Malcolm, many opinions changed pretty quickly.
Of course, you don't have two centuries of violent stereotyping to back your cause, so it'll be tougher for you.
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Post by outgirl on Dec 10, 2004 2:41:57 GMT -5
Silly people, vampires are make believe. Duh... . LMFAO...  thanks for your response ZK.  |
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Post by outgirl on Dec 11, 2004 16:00:56 GMT -5
OK Rick...where are you on this. Kender, whatever? I'm still waiting for your opinions kids. Do you think I would let you ignore me? Never I say. I'm here I'm queer and I want acknowlegement now damnit. What do you think about the HRC's new strategy? I seek your wisdom...or at least your opinion.
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Post by zombiekiller on Dec 11, 2004 16:30:39 GMT -5
Addendum: I think gay rights have made a lot of progress. As evidenced by the two hot lesbians making out in the row in front of me last night at Ocean's Twelve. No public stoning or anything in response.
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Post by outgirl on Dec 12, 2004 9:31:54 GMT -5
Addendum: I think gay rights have made a lot of progress. As evidenced by the two hot lesbians making out in the row in front of me last night at Ocean's Twelve. No public stoning or anything in response. Personally I find most of lifes pleasures are enhanced by the addition of two hot lesbians |
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Post by AppleJax on Dec 12, 2004 22:50:29 GMT -5
Of course, you don't have two centuries of violent stereotyping to back your cause, so it'll be tougher for you. We have centuries of persecution. We're right in there with the Jews actually. Does that qualify?   Yeah, so I think I'm kind of a Malcolm. . . . . . uh. . . . . .you bitches. ;D |
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Post by Kender on Dec 13, 2004 8:24:10 GMT -5
I don't know. I just skimmed the article, and as I was reading the article, I came across this: "For a certain segment of the movement, for which I would certainly elect the H.R.C. as poster child, it means that the error was that we were wanting too much too fast,". I thought to myself, "self, isn't that what people said to women, and then to blacks?"
Change isn't easy. People are stubborn, and slow to change, especially if they don't even see why they should bother to change anything. For most of us, the gay marriage issue is very easy to ignore. Gays are fond of saying that they could be your coworker or your neighbor, and you'd never know it. They don't have a special skin color, they don't have special hats, they don't have special accents. With the exception of those who are at the gay pride marches, they look just like everyone else.
This invisibility can work to their benefit (hard to lynch someone for being gay, if you don't know that he's gay just by looking at him), and to their detriment (hard to get upset about something happening if you don't see it happening).
Despite our experience with BVD, who seems overzealous on the subject and seems to actually seek stories about gays out, most of us find gays very easy...to ignore. If you're silent about your complaints, then the world will be happy to ignore them, and will be happy to have the excuse that they didn't know, because you didn't tell them.
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Post by outgirl on Dec 13, 2004 9:05:46 GMT -5
I don't know. I just skimmed the article, and as I was reading the article, I came across this: "For a certain segment of the movement, for which I would certainly elect the H.R.C. as poster child, it means that the error was that we were wanting too much too fast,". I thought to myself, "self, isn't that what people said to women, and then to blacks?" Change isn't easy. People are stubborn, and slow to change, especially if they don't even see why they should bother to change anything. For most of us, the gay marriage issue is very easy to ignore. Gays are fond of saying that they could be your coworker or your neighbor, and you'd never know it. They don't have a special skin color, they don't have special hats, they don't have special accents. With the exception of those who are at the gay pride marches, they look just like everyone else. This invisibility can work to their benefit (hard to lynch someone for being gay, if you don't know that he's gay just by looking at him), and to their detriment (hard to get upset about something happening if you don't see it happening). Despite our experience with BVD, who seems overzealous on the subject and seems to actually seek stories about gays out, most of us find gays very easy...to ignore. If you're silent about your complaints, then the world will be happy to ignore them, and will be happy to have the excuse that they didn't know, because you didn't tell them. Oh kender thank you. That was so well said and just exactly how I feel about it. At first I was mad, but then I thought, well...are they right? We sure did get our butts royally bashed in november. But I just can't see how not fighting for our rights will get us our rights. We need some real leadership in the gay community. We're pathetic.  By the way, that really did bring tears to my eyes. We have been either hated or ignored for far too long. We can't change the one's who hate us, but we need to make sure the rest can not ignore us any longer. |
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Post by AppleJax on Dec 13, 2004 12:07:58 GMT -5
Yes Kender, very well said. Thank you. I just need to point out, all different kinds of gays go to pride marches and rallies. The ones who don't, should. Straight supporters should go too. Most of us wish the "fetish" people who stand out weren't there. I know you didn't mean any harm, but I just had to point that out. I'm a Militant Queer now, so I'm doin' the "in your face" thing. ;D Power to my people!
Anyway, yeah, I understand trying to appeal to straights, but there's no reason to back off of marrige. HRC dropped the ball here and I think we should let 'em know.
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Post by Kender on Dec 13, 2004 23:56:59 GMT -5
For some strange reason, this passage comes to mind: Then he told them a parable about the necessity for them to pray always without becoming weary. He said, "There was a judge in a certain town who neither feared God nor respected any human being. And a widow in that town used to come to him and say, 'Render a just decision for me against my adversary.' For a long time the judge was unwilling, but eventually he thought, 'While it is true that I neither fear God nor respect any human being, because this widow keeps bothering me I shall deliver a just decision for her lest she finally come and strike me.'" The Lord said, "Pay attention to what the dishonest judge says. Will not God then secure the rights of his chosen ones who call out to him day and night? Will he be slow to answer them? I tell you, he will see to it that justice is done for them speedily. But when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?" ( Luke 18: 1-8) |
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Post by RS Davis on Dec 14, 2004 14:45:35 GMT -5
Personally I find most of lifes pleasures are enhanced by the addition of two hot lesbians Agreed. I was delivering pizzas the other day, and ran across a couple of hot lesbians. I flirted with the first one, and then the second one came out of nowhere and said they were lesbians. I said, "That's okay. My wife is a lesbian, too." They cracked up and gave me a $10 tip. - Rick |
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Post by RS Davis on Dec 14, 2004 14:52:52 GMT -5
I think that it is up to the activists to keep pushing...hard, and it is up to run-of-the-mill everyday gay people to continue being themselves and showing people that the face of homosexuality is very similar to the face of heterosexuality.
I feel the same way about the drug debate, by the way...
- Rick
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