He is not my President

[whatever]

outgirl said:

That sounds wonderful...they have a lovely nation anthem and very few handguns

Oh rats, you had to go and remind me of that one outgirl. Such a scary choice.

Eh there Danza, you sound royally pissed too.

Whoever says he isn't ready to leave, he wants to stay, be a voice, stand and fight. Fight what, who knows?

And then there's the rest of our family, and I'm already divided before we've done anything.

Maybe just a town out in the boonies. That's what Claire Wolfe says. But you know, we could manage that much easier; moving somewhere here, just farther from the city?

That makes commuting so hard. And gas prices.

Fuck.

[outgirl]

whatever said:

Oh rats, you had to go and remind me of that one outgirl. Such a scary choice.

Eh there Danza, you sound royally pissed too.

Whoever says he isn't ready to leave, he wants to stay, be a voice, stand and fight. Fight what, who knows?

And then there's the rest of our family, and I'm already divided before we've done anything.

Maybe just a town out in the boonies. That's what Claire Wolfe says. But you know, we could manage that much easier; moving somewhere here, just farther from the city?

That makes commuting so hard. And gas prices.

Fuck.

I'm not going back to the country ;)ever

[RS Davis]

outgirl said:

That sounds wonderful...they have a lovely nation anthem and very few handguns

Yeah, but you're in for a real nightmare if you want to stay in the healthcare profession - not to mention a severe pay drop.

- Rick

[outgirl]

RS said:

Yeah, but you're in for a real nightmare if you want to stay in the healthcare profession - not to mention a severe pay drop.

- Rick

It's been a while so I just wanted to drop in here and say...he is still not my president.

[whatever]

outgirl said:

It's been a while so I just wanted to drop in here and say...he is still not my president.

You're on a regular roll today! Cool

He ain't my president either. I don't think he's the legitimate president of this United States. And I think the crazy son of a bitch wants to invade Iran too. What a thief.

[outgirl]

whatever said:

You're on a regular roll today! Cool

He ain't my president either. I don't think he's the legitimate president of this United States. And I think the crazy son of a bitch wants to invade Iran too. What a thief.

Well, we've been right about him for the past 4 yrs so there is no doubt in my mind we will be in Iran this time next yr.

[whatever]

outgirl said:

Well, we've been right about him for the past 4 yrs so there is no doubt in my mind we will be in Iran this time next yr.

Sigh. Yeah. I don't think it will be popular. If it happens the same was as Iraq...I just don't see how it can happen the same as Iraq. But I never thought we'd actually go in Iraq, when it was a question.

I donno. I know nothing.

[whatever]

I posted these two stories on stl. Maybe he isn't our president after all. Wouldn't that be a relief, in a way? Now that the Iran nonsense has started? Before, I didn't want to do it to the country. But now, I'm starting to think a worse thing should be headed off. I wouldn't mind if Kerry were found to be the winner.

Topic Title: When does it stop sounding silly?

Berkeley: President Comes Up Short
By Ian Hoffman
The Tri-Valley Herald

Friday 19 November 2004

Graduate students put statistics to the test and find 'ghost' votes for Bush.

In the nation's first academic study of the Florida 2004 vote, University of California, Berkeley, graduate students and a professor have found intriguing evidence that electronic-voting counties could have mistakenly awarded up to 260,000 votes to President George Bush.

The discrepancy, reported Thursday, is insufficient by itself to sway the outcome of the presidential race in Florida, but the UC Berkeley team called on Florida elections officials for an investigation.

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Stewart isn't convinced the problem is electronic voting. It could be absentee voting or some quirk of election administration. But whatever the problem, it didn't show up in counties using optical scanning machines. Rather than offer evidence of fraud or voting problems, the UC Berkeley study infers they exist mathematically.

Frustrated at the low-brow, data-poor nature of allegations of election fraud flooding the Internet, three Berkeley grad students decided to apply the tools of first-year statistics class.

"We decided, well, you might as well test it properly instead of sitting around speculating," said first-year sociology grad student Laura Mangels. She and two colleagues downloaded voting and demographic data, ran them through statistics software and in the first night had results that produced a collective "Wow" among the students, she said.

They shopped their results to faculty and finally to Hout, a well-known skeptic who chairs the university's graduate Sociology and Demography group.

"Seven professors later, nobody's been able to poke a hole in our model," Mangels said. "Our results still hold up."

Hout agreed. "Something went awry with the voting in Florida."

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Ohio Presidential Results to be Challenged
By Steven Rosenfeld
FreePress.org

Saturday 20 November 2004

Ohio's 2004 presidential vote will be challenged as soon as next week in the state Supreme Court, a coalition of public-interest lawyers announced Friday.

The lawyers have taken sworn testimony from hundreds of people in hearings in Columbus and Cincinnati, and will use excerpts as well as documents obtained from county election officials and Election Day exit polls to make a case that thousands of votes were incorrectly counted or not counted on Election Day.

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Scientifically designed nonpartisan exit polls taken during the day showed a different result from the result reported that night, when George W. Bush was declared the victor.

Moreover, on Election Day there were long lines and widespread accounts of people who did not get to vote in urban Democratic-leaning precincts across the state. These factors and other reports of voter frustration, computerized voting miscounts and still-changing provisional ballot counting rules left many doubts about the unofficial vote count and George W. Bush's 130,000 vote margin.

more...

[outgirl]

I've been wondering. Have our elections always been this fucked up and we just never noticed till 2000 cuz it was so close...or is this type of thing just more proof that we the people have lost control of our country. Of course that makes the ridiculous assumption that we once had control. I am very disillusioned with the whole fuckin process right now.

[RS Davis]

outgirl said:

I've been wondering. Have our elections always been this fucked up and we just never noticed till 2000 cuz it was so close...or is this type of thing just more proof that we the people have lost control of our country. Of course that makes the ridiculous assumption that we once had control. I am very disillusioned with the whole fuckin process right now.

I think it has always been that way. Remember Mayor Daley? (Daily?) We had some suspect things here in the last two elections, at least, as well...

- Rick