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Post by outgirl on Nov 3, 2004 2:54:21 GMT -5
I will never support him
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Post by whatever on Nov 3, 2004 5:04:04 GMT -5
Agreed. I stopped trusting him with Iraq, see no reason to support him now. Hope the delirious right-wingers are happy if they end up actually getting what they asked for. |
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Post by maylily on Nov 3, 2004 6:38:43 GMT -5
This is the end. I can feel it. The great experiment that was the United States of America is on its downhill slide.
Yes, yes, I know that's been said before. But, honestly, I've never felt it so deeply before. I've never felt so hopeless and helpless. I've never been so scared by what I see in the world and in the news.
Yes, I'm still shaken by that article I read about Reconstructionists. That has honed my fear to a razor sharpness that is slicing through me. I can't stop shaking.
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Post by Kender on Nov 3, 2004 9:46:37 GMT -5
The American people are still centrists. If the government moves too far to one extreme or the other...well...I don't think the American people will stand for it.
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Post by trippy on Nov 3, 2004 11:24:46 GMT -5
I don't know how much farther right the country can reasonably move.
(having said that, I'm sure I've jinxed the country into some fascistic theocracy)
honestly, and this may be just a result of being tired of talking about this election and am glad the whole thing is over, I hope bush can actually do what he said he can do. I'm not looking for him to fail again. Cause if he fails again, then the country will be in worse shape and that means that my family will be deep in a world of ate up pain.
I'm also glad that I'm not of draft age anymore.
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Post by outgirl on Nov 3, 2004 15:36:13 GMT -5
I don't know how much farther right the country can reasonably move. (having said that, I'm sure I've jinxed the country into some fascistic theocracy) honestly, and this may be just a result of being tired of talking about this election and am glad the whole thing is over, I hope bush can actually do what he said he can do. I'm not looking for him to fail again. Cause if he fails again, then the country will be in worse shape and that means that my family will be deep in a world of ate up pain. I'm also glad that I'm not of draft age anymore. Hi trippy...welcome to the forum. I really can't believe the american people. The #1 reason for voting for Bush...moral issues. They want a moral leader. In other words, using gays as a wedge issue worked like a charm. Our deeply rooted homophopbia elected Bush. It was a bigger issue than the war. No wonder the rest of the world calls us stupid americans..we are. |
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Post by whatever on Nov 3, 2004 19:31:11 GMT -5
This is the end. I can feel it. The great experiment that was the United States of America is on its downhill slide. Yes, yes, I know that's been said before. But, honestly, I've never felt it so deeply before. I've never felt so hopeless and helpless. I've never been so scared by what I see in the world and in the news. Yes, I'm still shaken by that article I read about Reconstructionists. That has honed my fear to a razor sharpness that is slicing through me. I can't stop shaking. I feel what you say. I agree that this is/was a turning point. Downward turn. What's been the most troubling to me is the slow and insideous changes have left the public virtually blind to it. Like watching a plant grow. I have to admit I didn't realize just how many states had a gay marriage ban on the ballot. And they passed. How sick. I don't know guyys. I think we ought to all find a nice town in Canada and all move into a neighborhood there together. Wadda ya say? Ah, seriously, I hate the thought of abandoning my country. But the belief in our free country was what made it free. It seems like American culture has to learn some hard lessons. I'm not so sure I want my future generations to live through that mess. Hell I'm Irish; we paid enough. When they don't care if you live or die, you leave. I wonder just how many folks realize how nasty a police state can be? It's not so much that I think everyone is stupid and hasn't heard of oppressive governments, like the USSR was. What I don't believe is common is the realization that it could quite easily happen here, and it could happen in small stages. Small stages just like a gay marriage ban. |
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Post by trippy on Nov 4, 2004 1:04:35 GMT -5
A guy I work with were talking about this whole mess today. If this election was about values, my how things have changed. If thats the case, then i think that its not so much "values" as it is a single value.
the question we tossed around was this. What would happen if the DNC cut "pro-choice" from their platform*? Does anyone think that if that issue were off the table, that the Dems would be able to steal significant amounts of votes from the reps?
*This is a hypothetical. I am pro choice. And believe me, with a 2 month old my views of such matters have gone thru quite a lot of soul searching, after which I remain solidly pro-choice.
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Post by dr snootch on Nov 4, 2004 3:56:11 GMT -5
I feel what you say. I agree that this is/was a turning point. Downward turn. What's been the most troubling to me is the slow and insideous changes have left the public virtually blind to it. Like watching a plant grow. I have to admit I didn't realize just how many states had a gay marriage ban on the ballot. And they passed. How sick. I don't know guyys. I think we ought to all find a nice town in Canada and all move into a neighborhood there together. Wadda ya say? Ah, seriously, I hate the thought of abandoning my country. But the belief in our free country was what made it free. It seems like American culture has to learn some hard lessons. I'm not so sure I want my future generations to live through that mess. Hell I'm Irish; we paid enough. When they don't care if you live or die, you leave. I wonder just how many folks realize how nasty a police state can be? It's not so much that I think everyone is stupid and hasn't heard of oppressive governments, like the USSR was. What I don't believe is common is the realization that it could quite easily happen here, and it could happen in small stages. Small stages just like a gay marriage ban. How the fuck can Arkansas institute a gay marriage ban with a straight face? You can fuck your sister, just don't be gay. This country is a fucking joke. Bad things are afoot, friends, and I don't like it one bit. I can't believe this idiot ass-wipe 'leader' of ours was elected based on bovine America's twisted vision of morality. I could be just a little pissed based on my court appearance in Steeleville today. I had to go back because I hadn't yet payed the fine levied for my heinous crime of smoking mari-fucking-juana on the river. The judge was actually going to put me in jail today for not having paid the fine yet. I'm completely 100% serious. Fortunately, myself and the other 5 people on the block for not paying fines were not restrained before the judge declared a 5 minute recess. Snootch got the fuck out of Dodge. I'm a fugitive now, friends, a fugitive from the law for not having paid their fine on time. Most businesses send you a letter if you're late with a payment, the government will fucking take your freedom away. Sleep tight. |
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Post by DanzaSlap on Nov 4, 2004 3:56:49 GMT -5
I'm glad/scared that the feeling of dread I have at the thought of four more years of Bush is as deep in you fine people as it is in myself. This election simply crushed me, and it make me come to some hard realizations. The main realization that I came to is that the fucking Evangelical Christians control this country now. The Republicans have done a diabolicly wonderful job of manipulation of rural Christians. Similar to what trippy said (btw, welcome), what "values" does Bush exactly display? Men like Pat Robertson and his others of his ilk have been able to define an intangible term like "family values" with things synonymous with Republican platforms. Now, suddenly, "family values" aren't about actually being a good parent, it's about making sure the phrase "under God" remains in the Pledge of Allegiance. Being a "moral" person doesn't mean having compassion for the sick or elderly, it means making sure homosexuals can't get married. It's amazing, sad, disgusting, depressing, etc, that so many Americans believe this moral bullshit that Republicans are peddling, and I believe that most of the people who eat of this bullshit are Evangelical, rural Christians. I fear nothing more than the intermangling of religion and politics in the Republican party, and it's the reason why I shall never, ever vote Republican in a national election.
It's sad to think that when it comes to the great "culture war," it is the rural voter who has won. What's saddest is that I don't think this is going to change. Kerry barely won Minnesota, Michigan, and Wisconsin, three states he should have won easily. Like a virus, the Red is creeping up, and I think it will envelop the upper Midwest.
And trippy, to answer your question-- Yes, if democrats dropped the "pro-choice" platform, they would gain votes, I have no doubt. Frankly, the issue of abortion is stronger in people who are pro-life than people who are pro-choice; by that, I mean that I know people who would refuse to vote for a candidate who was pro-choice, I don't know anyone who would vote for a candidate who was pro-life. I'm sure there are people who feel that strongly about abortion, but I think that those people would fall so far left on the political spectrum that they would vote Democrat anyway. The pro-choice thing is costing some moderate voters. It especially hurt Kerry as a Catholic. I think that had Kerry been pro-life, he would have won the Catholic vote fairly easily.
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Post by outgirl on Nov 4, 2004 6:13:49 GMT -5
How the fuck can Arkansas institute a gay marriage ban with a straight face? You can fuck your sister, just don't be gay. This country is a fucking joke. Bad things are afoot, friends, and I don't like it one bit. I can't believe this idiot ass-wipe 'leader' of ours was elected based on bovine America's twisted vision of morality. I could be just a little pissed based on my court appearance in Steeleville today. I had to go back because I hadn't yet payed the fine levied for my heinous crime of smoking mari-fucking-juana on the river. The judge was actually going to put me in jail today for not having paid the fine yet. I'm completely 100% serious. Fortunately, myself and the other 5 people on the block for not paying fines were not restrained before the judge declared a 5 minute recess. Snootch got the fuck out of Dodge. I'm a fugitive now, friends, a fugitive from the law for not having paid their fine on time. Most businesses send you a letter if you're late with a payment, the government will fucking take your freedom away. Sleep tight. I'm sorry snootch. Are ya gonna be in trouble? While we've been worrying about the country, the christian reconstructionists and Bush it's easy to forget that life goes on and we can still get our asses kicked by the little guys too. What happened to you was wrong. If you can't smoke a little weed on a float trip....meanwhile real crimes are going on. |
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Post by outgirl on Nov 4, 2004 6:27:47 GMT -5
I understand how all of you feel. I've been so emotional today. I can't tell you how many times I started crying. The Bush supporters don't understand. They think we're nuts. HA. They don't know how much I wish they were right. I should have stayed off the other board today. i knew they'd kick my ass but I had to vent...rant... let the anger out. It's how I deal. I am scared but what can we do. Live it to the fullest. What will the next 4 yrs bring? I think more war. I think a restructuring of the supreme court. Maybe now that they have kicked gays to the ground they will start being nicer to us again. They must feel good about all the anti gay ammendments passed. Maybe they won't be so threatened now that they've beat us up. That's how I feel...beat. I know I'm suppose to be all tough and we'll get em next time acting...but I feel tired and beat. Surely I'll feel more like my rebel self tomorrow. Good night all  |
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Post by whatever on Nov 4, 2004 8:52:06 GMT -5
Let's move to Canada? Build a little town and call it "New America"?
Gay families can outnumber straight families and it would be just fine. In fact, better. Lets go.
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Post by DanzaSlap on Nov 4, 2004 11:54:57 GMT -5
Let's move to Canada? Build a little town and call it "New America"? Gay families can outnumber straight families and it would be just fine. In fact, better. Lets go. I'm down. Fuck this country, I have seen enough to know that I have seen too much. |
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Post by outgirl on Nov 4, 2004 14:54:16 GMT -5
Let's move to Canada? Build a little town and call it "New America"? Gay families can outnumber straight families and it would be just fine. In fact, better. Lets go. That sounds wonderful...they have a lovely nation anthem and very few handguns |
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