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Post by Kender on Nov 2, 2004 16:50:34 GMT -5
You know the sign I'm talking about, right?
_______ Stole the Election. (Left it blank, pending who wins)
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Post by outgirl on Nov 4, 2004 6:29:38 GMT -5
My sign says Kerry sucks. He should have beat Bush.  |
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Post by Kender on Nov 4, 2004 13:09:14 GMT -5
For the record, I have at least one friend who said that his opinion of Kerry improved because of how he handled his defeat. He could have dragged it out for days or weeks. The Governor of Ohio was milking it, the media was geared up for it...but he conceded with class. No doubt that was good PR for 2008.
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Post by outgirl on Nov 4, 2004 14:50:17 GMT -5
For the record, I have at least one friend who said that his opinion of Kerry improved because of how he handled his defeat. He could have dragged it out for days or weeks. The Governor of Ohio was milking it, the media was geared up for it...but he conceded with class. No doubt that was good PR for 2008. Getting back to the original point of this thread...I do not believe that so many gays voted for Bush. It doesn't sound right. I'm not going to the other forum to make accusations because...what's the point. But even the conservatives that support the party no matter what said no to Bush this time. There have always been conservative gays. I know many that voted for Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush the first go around. But I don't know any this time that claim to have supported him. Even on the forums, I've only talked to 2 gay Bush supporters in the past yr. I don't know what happened. Kerry ran a poor campaign no doubt. He never could sell himself and he tried to damn hard. I think he's a decent man but I think he was blinded by his desire to be president. |
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Post by Kender on Nov 4, 2004 15:19:56 GMT -5
Orignal point of the thread? This thread? The point of this thread was just me being silly.
I have no idea how many gays voted for who, or how important the gay issues really were to this election, though it seems that they were important enough for 11 more states to amend their constitutions over it...
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Post by outgirl on Nov 7, 2004 4:03:30 GMT -5
Orignal point of the thread? This thread? The point of this thread was just me being silly. I have no idea how many gays voted for who, or how important the gay issues really were to this election, though it seems that they were important enough for 11 more states to amend their constitutions over it... I thought the original point of the thread was would we think the other guy cheated...in you little humorus way of course. I know you are being silly but I wouldn't put it past them. Don't know so won't pursue it. Still though, the exit polls are fucked up or something |
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Post by Kender on Nov 7, 2004 10:03:17 GMT -5
Well, I never put much stock in polls. The only poll that counts is the one in the voting booth.
Usually, when there's an election, one guy wins and one guy loses. It's the nature of the beast. Some people are happy, some people are disappointed. Again - it's the nature of the beast. Usually, people tell themselves "Darn" and move on with their lives.
It saddens me to see in the last two elections...that some people cannot do that. I find it worrisome. If people stop believing that the system doesn't work...that the elections are rigged like they are in some third world dictatorship...*shudder*.
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Post by outgirl on Nov 8, 2004 8:57:45 GMT -5
Well, I never put much stock in polls. The only poll that counts is the one in the voting booth. Usually, when there's an election, one guy wins and one guy loses. It's the nature of the beast. Some people are happy, some people are disappointed. Again - it's the nature of the beast. Usually, people tell themselves "Darn" and move on with their lives. It saddens me to see in the last two elections...that some people cannot do that. I find it worrisome. If people stop believing that the system doesn't work...that the elections are rigged like they are in some third world dictatorship...*shudder*. The last time it was rigged. This time there are definate irregularities. |
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Post by RS Davis on Nov 9, 2004 22:36:36 GMT -5
The reason Kerry lost is the same reason Dole lost - you can't win an election based simply on hatred of the incumbent.
I really have two personal problems with Kerry (aside from the obvious policy disagreements):
1. He saw the same intelligence as the administration. He voted to unconstitutionally abrogate Congress' warmaking power to the executive. He voted for the USA PATRIOT Act without even reading it. The only major foriegn policy difference was that Kerry made vague planless promises about bringing larger allies into the war effort. Presumably, this would be France, Russia, and Germany. As intractible as those countries' positions on the Iraq War are, Kerry's chances of persuading them were slim to nil. So, in a practical sense, Kerry's counter to Bush's more of the same was more of the same.
2. Or was it? The plan alluded to above was the plan finally arrived at on the eve of the first debate. Before that, Kerry's position on Iraq varied from all out support (before the anti-war Dean surge) to "Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" and "grand diversion" (after the Dean spike) to the mushy middleground political position described above (after the Dean meltdown). SNL nailed this truth in their episode after the first debate: "The fact of the matter is I have consistently supported the war in front of pro-war audiences, and condemned it when speaking to groups that opposed it. That is not flip-flopping, that is pandering, and Americans deserve a president who knows the difference. Thank you."
As a result, I still have no real sense of what Kerry truly thought about the war. Instead, I have varying positions, derived solely for the purpose of electoral manipulation. That doesn't inspire much...well, anything other than apprehension.
- Rick
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Post by outgirl on Nov 10, 2004 4:28:27 GMT -5
what you say about Kerry has validity but doesn't change the fact that there were many irregularities. It isn't about being a sore loser. I just want it fixed.
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Post by RS Davis on Nov 10, 2004 14:00:44 GMT -5
what you say about Kerry has validity but doesn't change the fact that there were many irregularities. It isn't about being a sore loser. I just want it fixed. Oh, I wasn't commenting about any discrepencies, just about the election in general. As far as those go, I am sure they will iron it out. Punch cards are better, I think. Fact for the conspiracy file: Bush won every precinct that used electronic voting machines. - Rick |
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