Trying to stop...

And how. And arresting people for their t-shirt, one not obscene or anything. Not that it matters. Shows how far it's gone that I feel the need to qualify what was on their t-shirts.

No, this is some seriously bad shit Rick. If that monster wins...and for some strange, illogical, against-the-odds (hint, hint) reason HE thinks he has a chance...what if he does "win"?

I just can't imagine. Watchers for the watchers Rick. You know it can happen.

I love protesters. The anarchist cheerleaders, the black brigade, and those big ass puppet dudes are some of my favorite people. Hell, if there's a group of priviledged white suburbanites fighting for the cause of the common man by raging against the machine, I support them.

But like Rick said, if you're gonna break the law, expect to get arrested. Shit, plan on getting arrested, call the media, pack a lunch and call it a day. Protestors in the past recognized this and used it to their advantage.

Jim (as he throws a newspaper vending machine through the window of a Gap): Fuck The Gap!!!
Officer Smith: You're under arrest!!
Jim: You're violating my freedom of speech!!!!
Officer Smith: Dude! You just broke a fucking window!!
Jim: Oh shit, I did didn't I? Fair enough. Can I call my mom real fast?

Well, at least it was just a few arrests. The courts can address this issue, assuming of course, that the bikers get some good lawyers.

Remembering Bloody Sunday

Well, all protesters aside

No, this is some seriously bad shit Rick. If that monster wins...and for some strange, illogical, against-the-odds (hint, hint) reason HE thinks he has a chance...what if he does "win"?

*curlys voice* Certaanly
My point is taking all the events about the coming election into one big picture. The protesters being treated like criminals, being pushed of into designated "areas"...but only those there to demonstrate their unhappieness with this admin, as opposed to Bush supporters, who do not have these restrictions.

And the Patriot Act, the ability now for any of us to be carted off for what we profess to believe. And though it sounds like an extreme situation, too many people don't realize that ALLOWING this type of extreme situation is a virtual gift to any and all of those individuals who would seek to abuse it.

Who abuses it? Well, maybe the feds questioning people on their list of anit-Bush...in their homes before any actual protesting has begun. And the violent means with which the police in areas like NY are geared up and ready for major problems...from a bunch protesters. Our elections aren't supposed to be about physical intimidation. Protesters shouldn't be seen as breaking the law for only protesting. It's our right. They're trying every trick they can to invalidate this right, to control and minimize the protests. Ready with police and high pressure firehoses.

What I'm saying is, the direction this nation and this administation is heading is, well, police state, pure and simple. Got to watch for those terrorists...even the protesters could be terrorists (?)...our own citizens are our own enemies. Watchers for the watchers. USSA.

What worries me is, if this idiot manages to "win" this election, then I think it paves the way for other sweeping "changes" . And I don't think those changes are for the good, and diametrically opposed to any ideals of freedom.

We'll never be free if we stop believing we should be free. That's what he's trying to kill. Suppress voices of disent. One nation, under god...heil Bush. He's going after the "evil doers", even though is family has worked with the Bin Laden family for years.


Naw, I just rattle out gibberish. I have these few, basic understandings. And I know that making "changes" such as allowing unimpeeded search & seizer, background checks and survailence...its' all bad. It's just really, really bad. Losing free speech, depending on the content of the speech? Bad.

I think our election process is at risk. In actuality, the voting machines are made by corporatins which are heavy Republican supports. Between that, and the electoral college, it seems like it might be fairly easy to muck up the whole election works, screw it up 5 different ways so that NO ONE can tell what's going on. And. again, the bastard will win by default. Absentee ballot requests have risen dramatically (I think over 400% in some places), and those are being mismanaged as well, last I heard.

No, I think it's really, reaaly fucked up, and we aren't going to realize in this country just HOW fucked up until the bastard wins and everyone realizes it wasn't a fair election. But can you protest it? Well, I'll just bet not.

My worse case scenerio I guess. Problem is, I can see it happening, just like the Iraq war. First thing I said was, what matters is what happens next. And that next has been ALL downhill.

I think he's a bastard. Bush. I think he's brain damaged by coke - numerous sources speak of his previous ablity to speak english clearly and attend to details, having been changed by a coke induced stroke I believe. It might not be true, but I think it is.

So I think this idiot is going to steal this election, because, for some strange reason, he is being lead to believe he has a chance. Now I don't believe he does have a chance in a fair election. So...it won't be a fair election. It's just a question of their not getting caught in the skewing of the election. That's all they have to do; not get caught.

And if he 'wins', well, I just don't know what is going to happen, but I don't trust him anymore than I would trust Hitler. Not one bit. He could be seen as potentially worse than Hitler. He's a rich man who has always been rich, and ordinary people just aren't real to him.

Here's another example of Bush mutations and what I'm afraid can happen to ANYONE now, for any reason, or no reason at all. It's the worst Rick; people being taken away silently and never heard from. It's the stuff from the Nazis, not being safe in your own home, our American ideals, to be safe from unreasonable search and seizure. Innocent until proven guilty. Trial by peers.

Guantanamo Farce
The Los Angeles Times | Editorial

Thursday 02 September 2004

----- The Bush administration is ignoring, if not defying outright, the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling that all terror suspects must be able to challenge their imprisonment. The opening round of detainee military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay last week resembled something between a Mel Brooks farce and the kangaroo courts of former Ugandan dictator Idi Amin. Maybe Captain Kangaroo courts. The proceedings didn't look anything like justice, military or otherwise. Meanwhile, two U.S. citizens still sit in military brigs, isolated from their lawyers and months if not years away from the hearings the high court says they deserve.

----- The U.S. criminal justice system, including its military stepchild, is supposed to stand for due process, impartiality and openness. These are the same principles, after all, that U.S. troops are fighting - and dying - to seed in Iraq and Afghanistan. But the slapdash preliminary hearings for the first four of some 600 Guantanamo detainees violated basic tenets of fairness.

----- The tribunals are an ad hoc invention, authorized by President Bush three years ago when he rejected the established military court-martial system and the federal criminal courts, either of which would have worked more smoothly. As a result, military officials have few precedents to follow and last week seemed confused about which rules or legal procedures applied.

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Could be anybody.

And, short of armed violence, there is NOTHING lawful you can do to stop being treated this way. No prevention, and no recourse.

I ask you: is this not a violation of human rights? Is this not EXACTLY what our founders meant to prevent?

"When in the course of human events..."

So, yeah, that's why I say USSA. It could get really, really bad before it gets better. Not what I want to happen, but stuff like this is the stuff that makes it happen.

And Rick...we're gonna have all these shell-shocked, emotionally and physically brutalized troops, as part of our national makeup soon. I know it's a small demographic, but I think it's going to make a difference; not a good difference. Way too many guys still ready, willing and able to go out there and hurt something. All they need is a target; and we're the prison capitol of the world.