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Post by RS Davis on Aug 15, 2004 10:56:43 GMT -5
It's sad. I wonder if I am so wrong to think men have, ah, no right to have a say in this matter. I don't know, honestly, if this is fair or not. From looking at it, I don't see a better solution thoough. It's one of the frustrating and unavoidable double-standards in this world - when it comes to babies, women have choices, men have responsabilities (not that many men don't shirk that responsability). What I mean is, if a woman thinks she is not financially able to have a baby, she can have an abortion. If a man is in the same boat, tough shit. If a man wants to keep the baby and the woman does not, tough shit again. He has to just wait, with no say, to see what she does. She makes the choice alone about something that will affect both of their lives forever. But there is really no other way that I can think of... haha And I'm happy for Jan too  Please don't think I'd ever, ever put another woman down for wearing one! Didn't mean that at all. I tell you though, it's still a social stigma, and it annoys me terribly Guys with attitues like...well, I don't have to name names, but you know what I mean, rudeness. Poor fools think that just because they can see it, means WE want 'em oggled. NOT. Not all the time, anyway Realistically, I'd never want to wear a bra, and they're quite uncomfortable, but I can't. Sucks! In defense of guys, sometimes we just can't help ourselves. If I see a hot girl with nice tits and no bra, I will look 100% of the time. So, I'm a pig. ;D But, as a guy, I am very visually stimulated. The secret is to be discreet about it, Take your peek and move along - staring is just rude... BTW, I didn't take your bra comment as anything rude...  - Rick |
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Post by n2nsites on Aug 17, 2004 22:43:13 GMT -5
Ahhh, you are a pig.  |
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Post by RS Davis on Aug 18, 2004 4:55:10 GMT -5
Ahhh, you are a pig. Yeah, but at least I never claimed not to be, right?? ;D - Rick |
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Post by whatever on Aug 29, 2004 12:09:16 GMT -5
Actually, I had a thought about this. And, basically...it's that women not only aren't opinionated enough, we aren't outspoken enough, or even pushy enough. Frankly, we aren't violent enough. For...ourselves. For our own well beings, for our own sanity, or even our safety and our very lives. What affects us, and what hurts us, is by and large vastly caused by...men. Large and small. Individually, in groups, and entire nations. We've got a problem. I think, short of men coming to their respective senses and allowing themselves to change (since we women cannot MAKE them change, and there is no knight in shining white armor) then, well, there isn't an equitable answer. I truly think nature hasn't caught up yet. The issues of abortion always seem to slide by rape, and what a horrible, common occurance it is. And how typically overwhelmingly male. No, in my life, from what I see and understand, male culture, what part of culture one could say is male, is/has become a problem. Western culture has not solved this. No culture has. And no, I don't include women in this "group decision" as being equally responsible for the acceptance and passive agreement with what is right and wrong. In a domestic disbute, it's typically a "fight" where she gets beat on by him, not the other way around. We are not physically equal, and we are not emotinally equiped to defend against violence from our own. The male "projection" (reading that as men conveniently projecting their behavior on others, seeing women as being the same as they, when we are not) of equality in all things, even violence continues, in the eyes of the law and the eyes of society. While we get beat on. Women are not the ones committing the acts. Sorry, they just aren't. The senseless violence is yours. Alone. We react; we do not initiate on ANY wide scale. Bit radical; my feminist side needed stroking Before putting up pretty paper borders in the living room and kitchen |
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Post by hotjan on Sept 9, 2004 1:38:47 GMT -5
I'm Teresa Heinz-Kerry, Bee-yatch! Personally i thought it was funny when THK told that reporter to shove it. But I do think that strong women get labeled as bitches most of the time. I think it's because a lot of people are uncomfortable with a woman speaking her mind. I think it's because we've (both men and women) been taught theat women are supposed to be nice. Maybe it's because of motherhood, all that nuturing stuff. I don't really know. I think Rick has a point about people wanting to take Martha down b/c of her seeming perfection. But also I think that people really wanted to see her as a bitch b/c she was in control of everything herself, ya know? And I think that had a lot to do with her conviction. Free Martha!!!!!  pax Jan  |
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Post by outgirl on Sept 9, 2004 16:41:16 GMT -5
I'm Teresa Heinz-Kerry, Bee-yatch! Personally i thought it was funny when THK told that reporter to shove it. But I do think that strong women get labeled as bitches most of the time. I think it's because a lot of people are uncomfortable with a woman speaking her mind. I think it's because we've (both men and women) been taught theat women are supposed to be nice. Maybe it's because of motherhood, all that nuturing stuff. I don't really know. I think Rick has a point about people wanting to take Martha down b/c of her seeming perfection. But also I think that people really wanted to see her as a bitch b/c she was in control of everything herself, ya know? And I think that had a lot to do with her conviction. Free Martha!!!!! pax Jan  agreed |
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Post by whatever on Sept 9, 2004 17:33:34 GMT -5
I'm Teresa Heinz-Kerry, Bee-yatch! Personally i thought it was funny when THK told that reporter to shove it. But I do think that strong women get labeled as bitches most of the time. I think it's because a lot of people are uncomfortable with a woman speaking her mind. I think it's because we've (both men and women) been taught theat women are supposed to be nice. Maybe it's because of motherhood, all that nuturing stuff. I don't really know. I think Rick has a point about people wanting to take Martha down b/c of her seeming perfection. But also I think that people really wanted to see her as a bitch b/c she was in control of everything herself, ya know? And I think that had a lot to do with her conviction. Free Martha!!!!! pax Jan okaybut...can I just blame them a little more? |
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Post by outgirl on Sept 12, 2004 22:08:24 GMT -5
okaybut...can I just blame them a little more? Sure ya can |
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Post by whatever on Sept 13, 2004 7:39:30 GMT -5
Sure ya can LOL Thanks! lol lol |
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