is gay the new black?

[outgirl]

Ancient said:

This has got to be the worst piece of bullshit that I have had the displeasure to read on the subject during the past year or so. It makes so may false statements I don't know where to begin.

1. America did NOT start this gay-bashing. It existed lonnng before anyone ever heard of the New World. Gays has been in disfavor of the majority of humanity for over 2,000 years.

2. Gays havn't replaced blacks because gays are NOT in the same position as blacks were a few years ago. Blacks can't say "I wish I were white" and chose to change colors!

3. I agree we do not need, or want, a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

4. The "social norm" is whatever it is that most people want, and most people do NOT WANT GAY MARRIAGE! If you think they do they you're kidding yourself. I don't care what you do in the privacy of your bedroom, just don't flant it in public.

I am trying....REALLY TRYING.... to be more tolerant. It's just that after years of hearing this same worn out argument about how gays are nothing like blacks because they can't choose to be white where as we apparently can choose to be straight. Wow. I am going to say this nicely. You don't have a fucking clue Ancient Dragon. So I'm going to tell you about it. I'm a forty seven year old lesbian. I grew up believing that there was something wrong with me. I have always known that I was different. Guess what? Kids may not want to be like their parents but they sure do want to be like the other kids. Being ostrasized for being different is not a good life for a teenager. I had my first [but not last] experience with therapy when I was twelve. I used to cut myself with razors. Lke many gay kids, I hated myself. I never wanted to be gay. I fought it for years. Oh and the men, yea I tried them too. I've always believed that things happen the way they are meant to and thank God I have my daughter. She is the best thing in my life. Oh, it was also a lot of fun having to tell my twelve yr old that I was gay. I don't know why more parents don't choose this way of life. Lets see, after telling my child, I then got to break my mother's heart. See my grandfather was a Pentecostal minister and in my family being gay is the WORST sin. My mom and my Aunts ( who love me very much) believe with all their hearts that I will burn in hell for all eternity. Yes Ancient Dragon, seeing the pain that this causes them is so much fun. You should try it. I lost a friend 10 yrs ago. He was walking out of a gay bar in West Palm Beach when someone came up to him and shot him in the back of the head. He was 24. Another friend was living a quiet life in a quiet neighborhood with her girlfriend when two young neighbor boys decided to break into their home and beat,rape and sodomize them. They then took a hammer and smashed my friend's hands. She was no longer able to do her job. She went on to do a lot of work with the Stop the violence group so she has recovered but her deformed hands never did. Another friend went through years of therapy and even went through one of those gay cure groups. Well, he's still gay and has finally learned to accept and love himself as he is. He's in a good relationship and after more than 20 years of therapy and yes, even marriage he is finally happy with himself. The suicide rate is about 40% higher in gay teens than straight. Gays and lesbians are more likely to be have issues with alcoholism and drug addiction. It's just one big gay party. You say that you don't care about gays as long as they don't flaunt it. I've been told that before. Once at work I was discussing my new vacuum [well. it was a Kirby and I was in love}with a friend. We were talking about how nice it cleans and how I hadn't wanted to pay that much for a vacuum but when my partner and I saw it, we had to have it. All of a sudden, another co worker, someone I barely knew, stood up and shouted that she didn't understand why gay people always had to talk about their lives. I guess to her, discussing our housecleaning chores constituted flaunting our relationship. How about dinner out for our Anniversary. You can hold your wife's hand but if I do am I flaunting my sexuality. I am happy with who I am. I was born this way. Like many light skinned African Americans, I can also pass, for straight. But I'm still gay. I know you've seen plenty of effeminate men or butch dykes that couldn't pass. Do you really believe they have a choice. Now one last thing, while it is true that the majority in this country are against gay marriage, it is also true that most favor civil unions, proving that they are only hung up in the traditional "in the eyes of God" kind of ceremony, not the basic idea of marriage. Once again, religion is being used to discriminate and villify an entire group of people just as it was used to prevent inter racial marriages in the past.
Wow, I'm so proud of myself. I managed to get through that without resorting to saying Fuck you, like I normally would have. See, I told you I was really trying to do better.

[RS Davis]

outgirl said:

I am trying....REALLY TRYING.... to be more tolerant. It's just that after years of hearing this same worn out argument about how gays are nothing like blacks because they can't choose to be white where as we apparently can choose to be straight. Wow. I am going to say this nicely. You don't have a fucking clue Ancient Dragon. So I'm going to tell you about it. I'm a forty seven year old lesbian. I grew up believing that there was something wrong with me. I have always known that I was different. Guess what? Kids may not want to be like their parents but they sure do want to be like the other kids. Being ostrasized for being different is not a good life for a teenager. I had my first [but not last] experience with therapy when I was twelve. I used to cut myself with razors. Lke many gay kids, I hated myself. I never wanted to be gay. I fought it for years. Oh and the men, yea I tried them too. I've always believed that things happen the way they are meant to and thank God I have my daughter. She is the best thing in my life. Oh, it was also a lot of fun having to tell my twelve yr old that I was gay. I don't know why more parents don't choose this way of life. Lets see, after telling my child, I then got to break my mother's heart. See my grandfather was a Pentecostal minister and in my family being gay is the WORST sin. My mom and my Aunts ( who love me very much) believe with all their hearts that I will burn in hell for all eternity. Yes Ancient Dragon, seeing the pain that this causes them is so much fun. You should try it. I lost a friend 10 yrs ago. He was walking out of a gay bar in West Palm Beach when someone came up to him and shot him in the back of the head. He was 24. Another friend was living a quiet life in a quiet neighborhood with her girlfriend when two young neighbor boys decided to break into their home and beat,rape and sodomize them. They then took a hammer and smashed my friend's hands. She was no longer able to do her job. She went on to do a lot of work with the Stop the violence group so she has recovered but her deformed hands never did. Another friend went through years of therapy and even went through one of those gay cure groups. Well, he's still gay and has finally learned to accept and love himself as he is. He's in a good relationship and after more than 20 years of therapy and yes, even marriage he is finally happy with himself. The suicide rate is about 40% higher in gay teens than straight. Gays and lesbians are more likely to be have issues with alcoholism and drug addiction. It's just one big gay party. You say that you don't care about gays as long as they don't flaunt it. I've been told that before. Once at work I was discussing my new vacuum [well. it was a Kirby and I was in love}with a friend. We were talking about how nice it cleans and how I hadn't wanted to pay that much for a vacuum but when my partner and I saw it, we had to have it. All of a sudden, another co worker, someone I barely knew, stood up and shouted that she didn't understand why gay people always had to talk about their lives. I guess to her, discussing our housecleaning chores constituted flaunting our relationship. How about dinner out for our Anniversary. You can hold your wife's hand but if I do am I flaunting my sexuality. I am happy with who I am. I was born this way. Like many light skinned African Americans, I can also pass, for straight. But I'm still gay. I know you've seen plenty of effeminate men or butch dykes that couldn't pass. Do you really believe they have a choice. Now one last thing, while it is true that the majority in this country are against gay marriage, it is also true that most favor civil unions, proving that they are only hung up in the traditional "in the eyes of God" kind of ceremony, not the basic idea of marriage. Once again, religion is being used to discriminate and villify an entire group of people just as it was used to prevent inter racial marriages in the past.
Wow, I'm so proud of myself. I managed to get through that without resorting to saying Fuck you, like I normally would have. See, I told you I was really trying to do better.

- Rick