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Post by outgirl on Mar 29, 2004 3:33:59 GMT -5
Yes but there are different degrees of risk. Drivng or riding in a car is something that we all do unless you live someplace like N.Y. or Chicago. I see so many motor vehicle accidents and very often they involve kids under 20yrs with tragic results. As long as children are behind the wheel, we do have to institute precautions to protect them because as bright as our young people are, they are all invincible in their own eyes. And they still lack the experience of a seasoned driver. As far as obesity, that is why there was such a push to raise the sales tax on fast food as opposed to healthy foods a few yrs back. I don't agree with that partly because the majority of people who eat fast food with regularity are often impoverished with single parent families. It does take more money to feed your kids a healthy well balenced diet. It seems the higher sales tax only serves to punish those that have less to begin with. I don't have all the answers and yes the gov't does interfere in our personal lives way too much. But some regulations are good ones. Sorry, but I also believe in helmet laws. Just the mom in me I guess.
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Post by whatever on Mar 29, 2004 15:23:18 GMT -5
Seriously. We need to quit smoking pot. Ironic, isn't it? - Rick You kids are a riot  And I'm not old enough to be your mom! For some reason, that makes me happy. I'm only a decade older. HA I was born in 1964 and got to see the 60's from a small angle. Now pass that, will ya? |
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Post by whatever on Mar 29, 2004 15:33:46 GMT -5
Yes but there are different degrees of risk. Drivng or riding in a car is something that we all do unless you live someplace like N.Y. or Chicago. I see so many motor vehicle accidents and very often they involve kids under 20yrs with tragic results. As long as children are behind the wheel, we do have to institute precautions to protect them because as bright as our young people are, they are all invincible in their own eyes. And they still lack the experience of a seasoned driver. As far as obesity, that is why there was such a push to raise the sales tax on fast food as opposed to healthy foods a few yrs back. I don't agree with that partly because the majority of people who eat fast food with regularity are often impoverished with single parent families. It does take more money to feed your kids a healthy well balenced diet. It seems the higher sales tax only serves to punish those that have less to begin with. I don't have all the answers and yes the gov't does interfere in our personal lives way too much. But some regulations are good ones. Sorry, but I also believe in helmet laws. Just the mom in me I guess. I can see your point too outgirl. I am so militant about the seat belt and the helmet. You'd be proud We don't drive unless and until everyone is belted. And they won't go riding around without a helmet. No discussion over it. But, I have to ask you, in terms of the law, is it the law that makes you believe those things, or your own intelligence? I know I would feel the same way and act the same way whether there were laws or not. I know. I did. You probably did too When it comes to helping others, or helping kids with stupid parents, I want to agree with you, but I don't think it helps all that much. Kids with idiotic, thoughtless parents are in for any number of risks that most people wouldn't cause to happen. Not leaving a baby alone on a bed. Not letting their kids play outside by the road when they're too young to really understand the danger. Stuff like that. Good parents will try to do the right thing, and bad parents can't be fixed. |
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Post by RS Davis on Mar 29, 2004 15:46:02 GMT -5
I can see your point too outgirl. I am so militant about the seat belt and the helmet. You'd be proud We don't drive unless and until everyone is belted. And they won't go riding around without a helmet. No discussion over it. But, I have to ask you, in terms of the law, is it the law that makes you believe those things, or your own intelligence? I know I would feel the same way and act the same way whether there were laws or not. I know. I did. You probably did too When it comes to helping others, or helping kids with stupid parents, I want to agree with you, but I don't think it helps all that much. Kids with idiotic, thoughtless parents are in for any number of risks that most people wouldn't cause to happen. Not leaving a baby alone on a bed. Not letting their kids play outside by the road when they're too young to really understand the danger. Stuff like that. Good parents will try to do the right thing, and bad parents can't be fixed. As it is now, I am so lazy, I don't wear my seatbelt unless it is raining. I always strap Connor in like he's in an F16, though. It should be weird, when he gets old enough to notice I am not wearing a seatbelt, I will have to be more vigilant with it to set a good example. - Rick |
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Post by whatever on Mar 29, 2004 19:03:27 GMT -5
As it is now, I am so lazy, I don't wear my seatbelt unless it is raining. I always strap Connor in like he's in an F16, though. It should be weird, when he gets old enough to notice I am not wearing a seatbelt, I will have to be more vigilant with it to set a good example. - Rick Yeah, that's the thing, it doesn't really sink in unless you walk the walk. But Rick, please, WEAR YOUR SEAT BELT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by RS Davis on Mar 29, 2004 19:05:30 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the thing, it doesn't really sink in unless you walk the walk. But Rick, please, WEAR YOUR SEAT BELT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Awww, thanks mom.  - Rick |
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Post by outgirl on Mar 29, 2004 19:23:14 GMT -5
I can see your point too outgirl. I am so militant about the seat belt and the helmet. You'd be proud We don't drive unless and until everyone is belted. And they won't go riding around without a helmet. No discussion over it. But, I have to ask you, in terms of the law, is it the law that makes you believe those things, or your own intelligence? I know I would feel the same way and act the same way whether there were laws or not. I know. I did. You probably did too When it comes to helping others, or helping kids with stupid parents, I want to agree with you, but I don't think it helps all that much. Kids with idiotic, thoughtless parents are in for any number of risks that most people wouldn't cause to happen. Not leaving a baby alone on a bed. Not letting their kids play outside by the road when they're too young to really understand the danger. Stuff like that. Good parents will try to do the right thing, and bad parents can't be fixed. I dont know. I know a lot of people that didn't wear seatbelts until the seatbelt laws were passed. It seems people are more afraid of a $50 ticket than of the potential consequences of being ejected from a car. When my daughteer was an infant 25yrs ago, there were no laws regarding carseats, I'm embarrased to say that I never had one. I had my infant lying on the seat next to me. I was a young stupid kid and thankfully she survived my stupidity. Of course, now I know better but I'm sure there are still plenty of stupid parents out there who would do the same thing if it were not required by law. There are some laws that really are in the general public's best interest. |
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Post by outgirl on Mar 29, 2004 19:27:42 GMT -5
As it is now, I am so lazy, I don't wear my seatbelt unless it is raining. I always strap Connor in like he's in an F16, though. It should be weird, when he gets old enough to notice I am not wearing a seatbelt, I will have to be more vigilant with it to set a good example. - Rick Yes Rick. You might be able to justify smoking pot but you can't justify why Connor needs to wear a seat belt and you don't. By the way, the pot thing gets pretty difficult too once they get the DARE program in school. Good Luck with that. |
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Post by RS Davis on Mar 29, 2004 19:41:02 GMT -5
Yes Rick. You might be able to justify smoking pot but you can't justify why Connor needs to wear a seat belt and you don't. By the way, the pot thing gets pretty difficult too once they get the DARE program in school. Good Luck with that. Don't even get me started on DARE! - Rick |
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Post by outgirl on Mar 29, 2004 20:09:55 GMT -5
Don't even get me started on DARE! - Rick HAHAHAHAHA I know. It sucks when you have the schools teaching your kids that you're a bad parent. |
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Post by whatever on Mar 29, 2004 23:13:37 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHA I know. It sucks when you have the schools teaching your kids that you're a bad parent. Oh don't you know it! I practically had to reprogram mine So I went one better and joined NORML, not because of DARE, but certainly in spite of it. I explained to my kids what NORML is about, went on my spiel about hemp, hemp products, medical benefits, yada yada yada. While trying not to get their little butts in trouble. They do that well enough on their own at school! I have much information on the subject, so the poor cop running the show can't say much. He was still stuck on calling it a narcotic. Sigh. Yo, hey Rick! Quit that damnit! I'm not old enough to be mom around here Thank god! |
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Post by penguin on Mar 29, 2004 23:15:31 GMT -5
Don't even get me started on DARE! - Rick Actually, that sounds like a great topic for another thread. I hate that stupid paternalistic and insulting program. Also, it doesn't work. |
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Post by RS Davis on Mar 30, 2004 0:25:40 GMT -5
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Post by MarkS on Mar 30, 2004 2:04:01 GMT -5
Bad is good, baby. Down with government! -The Evil Midnight Bomber what Bombs at Midnight. The government needs to get the fuck out of my life. I don't think I can really stress this too much. I'm a responsible human being. I am perfectly capable of making decisions about my life and am no less capable of dealing with the consequences of those decisions. Please, do me a favor and fuck right off. Extrapolating big government into the free marketplace, isn't it odd that government-regulated industries produce robber-barons of old with ancient political ties and the money and power to influence policy. While the free-market produces entrepreneurs like Bill Gates who go from college student to millionaire before the age of 25 and continue right on through multi-billionaire. Good for Bill, he shows what an idealistic and opportunistic person can accomplish when the government just keeps their frigging hands out of the industry. Yeah... There you go! Why should the government set minimum safety standards for any product much less the plants that produce them. Let's disband OSHA or anything like it. Workers are perfectly able to find a safe work environment on their own. And what's with this nonsense of having finger-guards on table saws? Why is a lamp required to have a safety ground? Who ever uses that? Why must all homes comply to the NEC? Let the builders manufacture the home anyway they want. Put all the circuits on one breaker and use thinner wire, it's cheaper that way. I mean, do we really need strobe lights on tall objects around airports? Why must we use the same color lights on all traffic lights? Isn't variety the spice of life? Why limit the power output of cell phones? If I want to transmit a high-power RF signal right next to my brain, it's okay; only some doctors say it'll give me cancer. On second thought, sure you're a responsible human being, but maybe the guy building that car you just ordered isn't. |
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Post by RS Davis on Mar 30, 2004 2:19:34 GMT -5
Yeah... There you go! Why should the government set minimum safety standards for any product much less the plants that produce them. Let's disband OSHA or anything like it. Workers are perfectly able to find a safe work environment on their own. And what's with this nonsense of having finger-guards on table saws? Why is a lamp required to have a safety ground? Who ever uses that? Why must all homes comply to the NEC? Let the builders manufacture the home anyway they want. Put all the circuits on one breaker and use thinner wire, it's cheaper that way. I mean, do we really need strobe lights on tall objects around airports? Why must we use the same color lights on all traffic lights? Isn't variety the spice of life? Why limit the power output of cell phones? If I want to transmit a high-power RF signal right next to my brain, it's okay; only some doctors say it'll give me cancer. On second thought, sure you're a responsible human being, but maybe the guy building that car you just ordered isn't. I doubt that those things would not be there without the government. In most cases, the safety features are a selling point, or even a cost-saving measure, as in at airports. Consumers demand safety, and only the slow fail to meet that demand. They don't last long. - Rick |
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